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It's probably because I'm all anal an' stuff, but people always say that and it NEVER makes any sense to me. I mean, if the radio is playing how can you 'accidentally' leave it on? It's making noise, it's face is illuminated!! Also, I use the radios with faceplates that are removable and I'm in the habit...no, it's more like instinct or reflex...of removing the faceplate when I leave the car (which automatically kills the power to the radio/CD) to reduce theft. Toby Erkson -- air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback, '95 VW Jetta, '81 Gold Wing http://www.icbm.org/ Portland, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- > I think your step further IS how they are supposed to be wired. The stock > radio in all my cars (71, 72, 69) has been able to turn on without the > ignition. I am always worried that I will leave it on accidentally. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org