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Should feel cool enough to be driving a Type 3 - just pretend! What did your grandpappy do, or is global warming already here? When I was a kid, we had frost on the inside of our windows, and wore a vest, even in the temperate UK. Now people (my kids too) expect to be molly-coddled with heaters so they can go around in their shirt-sleeves in winter (OK Jim, permission granted to snigger about the concept of 'winter' in the UK!). Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org