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Thanks Russ, So what you are saying is that they are not seals per say but a device to oil the valve stems, so if I put a real seal on them it would cut off their oil supply ??Phil __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org