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I've been waiting to see if anyone had the same number that I did, and I figured Jim A. would. That default number is 80. Another way of looking at it would be to convert the 5.60-15 bias ply number out and you'd probably get an aspect ratio of 80. Greg, do they list a 5.60-15 for your chains? Or maybe something simular to that? Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org