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Here is what I've learned. The take up reel needs to have a mounting bracket cyustom made and welded to the pillar just below the stock hole for the pillar loop. OR Does anybody know where I could find a OEM shoulder belt for the a type3 1969 square ? A shoulder harness was offered as optional equipment so one must exist somewhere. Thanks Jim- Cheers john -----Original Message----- From: Jim Adney [mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 9:38 AM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Empi seat belt instalation '69 square ????? On 5 Jul 2003 at 8:59, John Fischer wrote: > I bought a empi seat belt kit from bill & steve's so that I could have > shoulder harnesses in the rear seats of my 1969 squareback. > > The instructions that came with the kit are pathetic and I can't even > figure out which way is up. > > Here is what the instructions look like: > http://www.stickergiant.com/empi3851.jpg > > Anybody ever install these? Can you offer any help ? This is a front seat kit, but it MIGHT work in a back seat. Note also that it says for type 1 sedans. Assuming that it can be made to work in the rear seat of your square, here's what you would have to do. Remove the original rear belts and keep the mounting hardware for possible use with the new belts. The new buckle anchors on the stiff flexible stems mount on the inboard anchor bolts. The reels mount on the outboard bolts, as do the other ends of the webbing. The anchor that slides along the webbing mounts to the upper anchor point on the C pillar, so, when stored, the webbing runs from a lower fixed point, up to the C pillar, and back down to the take-up reel. I'm not sure that you're going to be happy with this setup. The takeup reel may be too big to fit in there and still allow the rear seat bottom to go back down, and this may make the rear seat almost impossible to fold down in the future. The reel -- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA ******************************* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org