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Mark, I believe these are new new stock, from Brazil. Yeah, calling them at about noon their time is about right, as Cali people seem to be on a different time schedule as everyone else. They seem to be of good quality. I know because I used one on my Square to fix the sloppy right link. If you think about it, the ones you have are over 30 years old. How much longer would you want them to last? Remember you are talking about a low cost car when it was originally built. I know that if the ball sockets get lubed once in a while they last longer. As far as the center pivot goes, you might be able to get some bushings made to fix them. I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/