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Yes the 412 has the original FI. I was thinking that it was a flooding issue rather than bad rings but wanted to ask for input. How would a bad VR cause this problem? Thomas -----Original Message----- From: Jim Adney Subject: RE: [T3] who's doing Type 3 work this weekend? If this is still FI, the most common cause of excessive richness is a worn out voltage regulator. This is easy to check for and cheap to fix, if that's your problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org