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hi the reason i say use the flat washers as well is over the years all the engines ive taken down a lot have shown quite a bit of corrosion in this area from steel being in contact with aluminium! ie they are now a little weaker and if there not gonna foul on anything then they will not hurt and a dab of loctite flat washer and star or spring washer will take some shakeing to come lose and i suggest the engine has a bit of a problem!! neil verdon. your up late dave!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org