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I'm relativly new to driving standard shift type 3s. (Drove a automatic square for awhile) I've noticed quite a bit of play in all gears that shoves the car back and forth when I let off the gas. This is very noticable in lower gears. I just pushed the car about 11 inches in gear and I'm guessing this is a little more than normal. There is also a grinding/ ball rolling sound coming from axle area when the car is in motion but I can only hear it from the backseat. Can someone point me into the right direction as to what the problem is or might be, and what might be required to fix it. another question. How hard to find/ expensive are 64 z-bars in nos, or excellent condition? also, my shameless plug. I'll be selling tons of type 3 stuff on ebay, CHEAP. Gotta clean out my room. I've already sold quite a bit, but theres lots of stuff, and most of it is going for 1/2 of what it normally sells for. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&useri d=kwmcg Ken McGinnis 64 Notch S sunroof ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org