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RE: [T3] Fuel injection troubles have defeated me so far


UPDATE:  Well, I started checking some of the things on the lists
provided.  I started at the trigger points, and some noticeable dirt did
come off on the card (had some alcohol on the card) for both sides.
When I was putting the distributor back in, I noticed that it did not
spring back as Jim mentioned it should.  I also had a great deal of
trouble getting it seated all of the way (I've had this trouble before).
After playing with it some more, I noticed that even when I got it
seated and tightened down, I could still give the rotor a good twist and
it would give me trouble.  I borrowed another distributor with
questionable points, and a good condenser.  It installed with no
problem, and did have the spring back action that the other one did not
have.  The car started and drove, but ran a bit rough.  Once I got it up
to speed, it started to have the same problems that the car was having
before, but it seemed to be more like it was further back in the
process.  In other words, it cut out a lot, but I could still drive it.
The good news is that I got it home, and gathered some more information.

NEW INFO:  Well, it doesn't cut out at any specific range, but it seems
to do it when the throttle is held in position... Not so much when it is
being pressed down for acceleration.  When it cuts out it's literally
like the ignition cuts out.  It smokes a bit then when it cuts back in,
there is a big puff of smoke and it cleans right up.  That makes me
think that I am missing spark and the smoke is unburned fuel. I couldn't
get a good idea of what color the smoke was...  It was dark when I drove
it home.  I hope to get a little direction from this, and really dive
into the system tomorrow.  At least now it is at home, and I can spend
some time on it.

Thoughts on most likely place to start?  Trigger points on this
distributor too? 


Bryan Castles
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'69 Squareback
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> Car: 69 Squareback, 69 and 70 mixed fuel injection system.
>
> Trouble:  The car runs intermittently, and eventually dies.  Let me 
> provide a bit of background on this.  The car always had a little 
> "miss" when cruising at highway speeds.  It would only miss for a 
> moment (no
> backfire) then it would go right back to performing nicely.  The 
> problem got worse however.  Then while at freeway speeds (between 
> about 50 and
> 60) it would just cut out.  The motor would still be running, but
would
> not provide me with any power at all.  Then it would just come back to
> life some.  I would let up on the pedal a lot and sometimes the
problem
> would go away then.  The problem finally got to the point where it
does
> this at all speeds.

Okay, we love a challenge.  ;-)  First a couple of questions: What kind
of gas mileage have you been getting, specifically is there any
indication that the mileage has been poor? If so, I wonder if your
system is running rich. There are a number of simple things that could
cause this, including mixed FI parts.

Your brain and pressure sensor should both be 311-B versions. Your
pressure switch should have a good intact hose between it and the intake
air distributor. You should be able to hear your throttle valve click
just as it comes off idle and just as it goes back on idle.

When you get in the car and turn the key ON, do you hear a relay click
and then another click about 1 second later? You should.

Your charging system voltage should measure 14.1-14.4V with the engine
warm at med RPM and the battery charged up after a drive. Measure it at
the battery. If it is less than 13.5V replace the voltage regulator with
a Bosch 30 019. I stock these if you can't find them locally.

Remove your distributor cap and grab the rotor. Twist it CW. It should
turn and then snap back. If it does not, you should let be rebuild the
distributor.

Grab the rotor and wiggle it sideways. There should be no perceptable
play.

If these things are all fine, pull out the distributor and clean off the
FI trigger points that mount in the bottom (from the side.) Use a clean
piece of paper to remove any dirt/oil from between the points. If things
are extremely dirty you should let me rebuild the distributor. Don't let
paper fibers get caught in the points as you draw the paper out.

Keep us up to date on what you find.

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Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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