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Well when I first got my fasty I didn't have the rear hanger(rubber snubber) at all. The mounting for it on the apron was missing. Now that my apron was replaced I have one. Also I got the rubber parts from the 65 square I snagged parts from. The only problem is that I don't fully trust my welding work when I replaced my apron. I don't wan't to tear off my apron. I guess I'll look into strengthing my apron to hold up my engine when I do my IRS conversion. Thorkhild Darkside Apprentice 68 VW Blue Fasty http://www.geocities.com/vwbluefasty/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org