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Well... I got my Squareback and my '63 Beetle from their first owners. My family got my '69 Beetle from its first owner. I got my '70 bus from its 2nd, 4th, *and* 6th owner: he bought it as a late-model used car, then, over the course of several decades, sold it to his parents, bought it back from them, sold it to a friend, bought it back, then sold it to me. :) Coincidentally, of the four, only my '70 Bus is younger than me. ;) -Greg ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/