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Re: [T3] gen problems UPDATE


On 23 May 2002, at 9:27, Martinez, Leon wrote:

> I hooked the ammeter between the big red red wire and D+ on the generator
> and I found the following: 

Okay, just a temp connection to make checks? Very reasonable.

> - After starting just after 1/2 hour of radio time parked 30 + AMPS then
> within seconds drops to 13 amps.

Sounds pretty normal.

> - Removing my electric fan wire (1 big fan and 5 little ones, running for 9
> months now) 6 AMPS being  drawn with EFI and coil only operating, including the Gen
> field.

So the fans use more power than the EFI and ignition combined. Interesting, 
but probably predictable.

> - Everything on (High beams, fog lights, stereo, emergency blinkers, wipers
> etc..) 22 AMPS

Sounds right. (Oh that poor underpowered 30A generator!  ;-)

> All of this looks like normal load and the battery is still getting 13.5v -
> 13.8v from the regulator and with no load 14.3v to 14.6v . No RPM change with
> the Gen disconnected.

I assume all of these measurements were taken while driving or at medium 
RPM, otherwise I wouldn't expect you to get much out of the generator.

The loaded voltage is a bit low, but this is probably due to the voltage drop in 
the extra ammeter wiring. This is why you either need to use really big wire, 
or just to a temp install.

> It all seems that when the brushes wear out they would arc to the commutator and
> leave sharp spots in the copper thus wearing the new brushes out.  I gues I
> should not just throw brushes in but should either replace them before the light
> blinks or lightly sand the comutator before putting new ones in, I assume this
> can still be done without removing the Generator from the engine.

I strongly recommend that you NOT sand the commutator for the reason I 
gave earlier. Getting it turned is probably a good idea. They may also 
discover that one of the bearings is getting bad, and I suppose it is possible 
that the vibration from a rough bearing could cause the brush not to ride 
smoothly, thus causing it to wear out. That's theory only; I've never seen it 
happen.

BTW, it's EASY to spot a noisy gen bearing with a long screwdriver, one end 
stuck on one end of the generator and the other end in your ear. Compare 
the two ends, you may be amased.  

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Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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