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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that TMI is wrong. Every 1965 Type 3 I've seen has had the early style seats. My Square was built in March 65 and came with the early style. The VW parts list doesn't show any mid-year changes to the front seats in 1965. Scott 62 343, 65 361 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/