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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Sam, I just received my ATE calipers too and was very pleasantly suprised by the look and feel of quality. I don't know if I got quite as good a deal as you but it was pretty good: 2 new calipers + pads and fitting kit +FAG rear cylinders (new) + galvanised brake shoes and linings for approx 120GBP (200USD). I was pretty chuffed. I have a question concerning the rear shoes though: they came with little tubular steel copper plated rivets. I have never fitted these before. I thought the rivets were usually solid copper- these don't look like they'd be strong enough. Any tips on installing them or should I try to find an expert?. Should they be glued first with something? Mark Seaton Orange 1600TA London ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe </x-charset>