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<x-flowed>I've got these on my '65 and they seem to work well. The downside is they are a pain to install, at least on a '65. If you are not super careful the paint will be scratched. Mine came with a VW of A box. I believe there was a "Formula Vee" accessory line and these were one of them. Does anyone have more info any on other Formula Vee accessories? Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/ </x-flowed>