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<x-charset iso-8859-1>> This must surely be SAE specs? Of course - that's how they were quoted over here in the UK, and probably most places Germany didn't have significant influence. As you know, the 'D' in DIN stands for Germany. Besides, it sounds more! I imagine the odd bhp SAE is lost in rounding up/down the DIN figures. Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe </x-charset>