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The oil cooler on the *1972* and later 1600 twinport type 1, with the doghouse cooler used a cooler very similar to (if not the same as) the type 3 cooler. It is an all alloy cooler. The earlier engines (and I believe all later engines that were not 1600 twinports, such as the 1200 which kept on going in production) all used a black oil cooler which was steel (maybe brass/copper???) and did not look in the slightest like a conventional radiator - the Type 3 cooler did, with zig-zag fins between the "cores". I'm quite sure that the type 3 cooler was slighlty larger than the type 1, as it was a popular "upgrade", but I may be mistaken - the type 4 cooler was also a finned aluminium type - it *was* an ungrade, as places like bugpack made adaptors for it :-) Allan W :-) New Zealand 58 Beetle 70 "Fonzie" 70 Squareback ----- Original Message ----- From: <DGaries808@aol.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: [T3] Stock Oil Cooler VS Remote In a message dated 8/16/02 8:58:53 PM Central Daylight Time, comwest@att.net writes: What I saw was a Type 3 oil cooler used to make a Type 1 arrangement. Oil coolers were identical. The only difference was the Type 1 fittings from a Type 1 was used. In particular, a 1965 Type 34 engine was built for and installed in a 1969 Beetle. Just for kicks, I went over to Scott's house and looked at his Type 3-Type 1 engine. Obviously, the 25 and 36 hp engines don't count, because they came at earlier times. I'm talking about the 1965 and later beetle engines, as well as 1962+ Type 3 engines. The oil coolers were identical on either engine. THE PLATES THAT HOLD THEM are different.The Type 1 engine mounts the oil cooler vertically, and the Type 3 mounts the oil cooler horizontally. But the oil coolers themselves are identical whether Type 1 or Type 3. Equate 1500 to 1500 and 1600 to 1600. There was a small cap to add to the engine, and it is to plug a hole in the Type 3 case. It is called a "oil filler cap", and is about 2 inches by 1.5 inches, give or take a tad. The idea came from Mexican engines, which were the same for Type 1 or Type 3. Scott used a 1965 Type 34 engine to fit into his 1969 Beetle so as to save some money. He had the case drilled so as to accept a standard Type 1 oil filler and dipstick (cost $20). Then he added his 1969 beetle carburetor, generator, and generator stand to the Type 3 engine (plus, I suppose, his Type 1 engine tin) Voila! he has a perfectly good Type 1 engine for a bug. Scott did this because I gave him the 1965 Type 34 engine (which is, of course, Type 3). His total; investment was $20 plus about $10 for the filler cap plus his time. I also went over and talked to Angel at Knight's Foreign Auto Parts. Angel told me that they kept a good supply of the "oil filler caps" for just such purposes. So, it can be done and has been done beaceaup times; i.e., making a Type 1 engine out of a Type 3 engine. Don Garies dgaries808@aol.com - ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/