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You can see some differences between mufflers, stingers w/ baffles, and stingers w/o baffles here: http://vwtype3.org/tech/dyno/ I've always been suspicious of some of the circumstances of this test as I describe on this page, but it's still kind of interesting. (Wow, made those plots w/ my Mac SE...!) -Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org