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<x-flowed> >would a stinger with the muffler insert be quiet at all? Not even close...I had a stinger on my first bug, with the baffel insert (I wouldnt consider running without it, too little back pressure) I figure it took about a week to blow out all the fiberglass that is around the baffel, this happened with two different baffels. After that you are left with just the louvers in the center pipe to control noise. Its pretty damn loud actually, no where near as loud without the baffel though. noise level at low RPM's/close throttle position is not too loud, but get on the throttle and the noise climbs exponentially. >and would it give me as much power as a dual qp? I think that between the stinger and the dual QP the horsepower difference is marginal, a little more with the stinger. There was an article in a HotVW's lately that showed that the "fat boy" style of muffler gave the best horsepower, dual QP was under than then came the single QP. Drake _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldās largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe </x-flowed>