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<x-charset iso-8859-1>> All of the late model clocks > have a metal back (not plastic) and the face is painted black, not gray. > Not quite true... There are a few grey-faced late type clocks - I have one, and another (UK?) listee has one also. The back and internals is exactly the same as the black-faced ones. They may have been supplied for fitting after the car was first sold; here clocks didn't come fitted to the major selling 1600A model. There's a sort of radial spinner design blanking fitting instead. (see archives I think). Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org </x-charset>