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<x-flowed> yes my apron is bent, but i din't do it, it was the PO. yes the system would fit under the unbent apron. sorry i can't really give you any numbers, i have only had the car for about 15 months, and it is my first ever car. for sure there is better flow now, compared to the 4tip monza style empi, and i have noticed a definite increase in HP. sorry i am too much of a nebe to give you any meaningfull numbers. the header tubes are 1 3/8in and the tip is 2in. makes for a nice sounding ride too. well if you have the money go custom made ben '71 square >Thanks, Ben (and thanks Everett for the link). It looks like you had >to do >some body bending to get it in there (or was that from a >previous >installation? Would it fit and install OK if the apron >weren't bent? >Can you give me any numbers or perceptions on performance changes >with >this setup? Engine temps, maybe? What size are the pipes? >If this thing works, I may just have one custom-made ... >Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 Grosse Karmann _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe </x-flowed>