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>You're right, it's 5 BTDC with the idle set and the vacuum hoses >disconnected. When you put the vacuum hoses back on you will find it close >to 5 ATDC, due to the vacuum retard. >Once again I want to warn anyone with a 72 not to try to time your engine >without the Bentley manual. >Of the type 3s that I'm familiar with (68-73 FI), the 72 is the ONLY one that >you have to remove the hoses from, and on that one you only have to remove >the green retard hose. On ALL the others you can do it either way and it >makes no difference. In no case is there any benefit to plugging anything. ******************************* Ok, Jim, I am totally confused, let me say befuddled! I have a 72 FI AT. I have the Bentley. I thought I took off both hoses? Anway Last night I went out to try to time it again and now it is worse. Here is what I did, please tell me what I am doing wrong! First problem, throttle does not close all the way without pushing alittle. Second problem, Bentleys says to adjust the throttle switch rotate it CCW until you hear a click then 2deg further. Mine clicks when rotating CW but not CCW. But I set it so there is a half second before hearing the click. Closed throttle, set idle to around 950rpm's. Dwell at 49deg. Disconnected hoses from ignition distributor (right?) plugged the hoses still connect to the air intake dist (right?). Tried to set the idle to 950 but is would not go above about 850rms. I set the timing to 5 BTDC connected hoses. Still unable to adjust idle higher. Now it has no power at all top speed 30mph. Do you see any errors? Thanks a lot, sorry to make this so difficult, Jason Smith '72 Fastback FI AT '97 Jetta http://jasontsmith.tripod.com/vw.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe