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Ok, my mistake, Bob says 13' ceilings would probably be good to go for putting a lift in the garage. I was just thinking w/ the rafters, lights, etc., that you'd have to worry about not putting dings, dents and such in the roof of the car.Hey, what can I say, you already know I don't spend all my free time out in the garage. I mean my idea of a dream garage, is being able to park inside it, so I don't have to scrape windows before I got to work. :-P Sue 70 Fasty-AT ok,ok, lurk mode on. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org