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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Though I'm not positive about the "stress on joints" (what joints?) I know my full-length rag top has not changed the handling characteristics of my ride. Any loss of structural rigidity is very, very minor, possibly observable only because I actually push my baby to her limits. The vast majority of people don't do this, except in an emergency maneuver and thus begin their second mistake... Lowering the car introduces obvious handling changes. Remember, the top stays within the boundaries of the rain gutters (at least 6" on mine) and several inches from the front/rear edges (over a foot for me in the rear), be it a half or full ragtop. Besides, anyone who owns a convertible should understand the risks involved with open-top driving. Inserting ragtop (or removable hardtop) and the safety risks seems overly alarmist to me. Heck, the air-cooled Type I and II's didn't have roll bars and they were far more open than any ragtop (of which did come stock in T1 form). My convertible-type personality .03ยข Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L, Berg five-speed '95 VW Jetta III GL 2.0L, P-Chipped, Jamex sport suspension Portland, Oregon, http://www.icbm.org/ >-----Original Message----- >Safety and your T3 ... >The full-length rag top will also reduce the overall body >stiffness of the >vehicle which will add to additional stress on joints and >poorer handling... ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe </x-charset>