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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Of course you are correct in this matter, Jim, I read further into my early parts book and found ALL the wheel cylinders for the Squareback are larger. The rears are much larger - 20.64mm vs 25.4mm (sizes vary slightly by year) I can imagine some road rally racer in '64 outfitting his new "S" model Notchback to the "huge" Squareback brakes... LOL. Or just wait a few years and get a disc brake front end. Everett everettb@thesamba.com http://www.thesamba.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [T3] Master cylinder question On 11 Nov 2001, at 19:46, Everett Barnes wrote: > Everett said: > >> 19mm vs. 20mm master cylinder > Jim said: > >If you switch to the larger MC you will reduce the stroke necessary > >to apply the brakes, and make the brakes feel "firmer" but you will > >have to press harder to get the same amount of braking action, > >because you have actually reduced the hydraulic mechanical > >advantage by 15%. This strikes me as a lot, so I wouldn't do it. > Since the 20mm was stock on the Squarebacks, wouldn't this mean the > Squarebacks had brakes with the attributes you mentioned? This seems > disadvantageous, I had assumed the 20mm m/c gave you improved braking power > somehow to allow for the hauling capacity of a Squareback. I wonder why VW > would do that... I'm not that familiar with the early braking systems, but I suspect that when VW changed the MC diameter they also changed the wheel cyl dias. You could certainly change both dias to keep the hydraulic advantage approximately constant, but sticking with the 19mm MC is the easiest, and best, way to go. The thinking that increased dia makes for better braking is widespread in the automotive public. For years, aftermarket suppliers for the Porsch 914 have sold the 914/6 19mm MC as a high performance upgrade for the 914/4 which came with a 17mm MC. This is completely backwards and results in exactly the opposite effect. <snip> I think some of the early squares came with 15/16" (23.8mm) rear wheel cyls. It was probably these cars that came with the 13/16" (20.64mm") MC. On all of these, you will often, depending on the manufacturer, find the diameter cast into the outside of the part to the nearest mm, even though a careful measurement will make it clear that the bore is an exact number of sisteenth's of an inch, and not any integral number of millimeters. If you read the ATe literature that comes with your MC kits you will find the bore called out as 19.05 which seems like a strange number until you realize that this is exactly 3/4". ATe casts a 19 on the side of this MC. - Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711-3054 USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org </x-charset>