Re: [T3] Strange OEM Type 3 Muffler

[Simon Glen <simonglen@bigpond.com>]

Russ Wolfe wrote:

> Subject: Re: [T3] Strange OEM Type 3 Muffler

> never seen a T-2 with a factory T-3 syle engine!!!!!!!


Russ,

The only production Transporter with a flat Type 3 style engine (i.e. not a
Type 4 motor which is a completely different animal) that I know of is the
Aug 1979 to Jan 1983 VW Type 24 and Type 25 Transporter (same shape as the US
market Vanagon) when fitted with a CT or CZ series 1600 single carb motor.
These engines were never seen in USA, CDN or even in AUS but were widely
available in GB, F, D, NL, B, I, CH, GR and even DZ and WAN as the least
powerful motor option for Type 24 and Type 25 Transporters as opposed to the
Type 4 style CU (Twin-carb) and CV (AFC injection) motors also available at
the time (until the Wasserboxer arrived on the scene).

These 1600 CT (normal compression) and CZ (M240 low compression) motors had a
"universal" crankcase (able to be used for flat suitcase style vehicles such
as the Type 3 and Type 34 with their special dipstick arrangements and for
those with engine carriers such as for CV-joint Type 3s and Type 2s) but had
the additional benefits of a full-flow oil filter and hydraulic tappets.  In
the early Vanagon-style Transporters these1600 CT/CZ motors only had a single
carburettor like the1500 Type 3s but, unlike Type 3 motors, this flat engine
had its alternator on the right side (as seen from the rear looking forward)
and as such can be confused for a Type 4 motor.   But, one look at the
crankcase and cylinder head castings will quickly identify it as being a
version of the Type 1/Type 3 motor.

So, there was a Type 2 Transporter with a flat Type 3 style motor although
not exactly the same as the Type 3 motor.

Well, after all those words, because these CT/CZ engines were in production
between Aug 1979 and Jan 1983 which was more than a decade later than that
"strange OEM Type 3 muffler" it is unlikely that the "strange" muffler would
be designed for them.  I, too, have been racking my brain to work out what
sort of motor that "strange" muffler is for.  At first, I thought it was for
the124 series Type 3 industrial motors but ruled it out - unless there was a
requirement for an industrial motor with heat exchangers?  And, incidentally,
Type 3 industrial motors always had the prefix "124" before the actual engine
number and this was stamped onto the case.  And, 124 Type 3 industrial motors
were superseded by the127 Type 4 industrial motors in 1969.

Simon Glen
Toowoomba,  Australia.


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