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Marvin=> I have a 65 notchback with a vw four lug bolt pattern. I've never heard of 4-lug wheels coming on any VW before '66. The first and most obvious question is are you sure it's a '65? What are the first three digits in your VIN? => Did the older five lug cars have disc on the front? No, the first VW disc brakes came on Type 3s in '66. => Is there a conversion kit available for five lug disc => front and back for a type 3? I haven't seen this being offered commercially as a kit. It's not an especially unusual conversion, though there's some hassle involved. Do you have a single or dual master cylinder? Where is the reservoir located? Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 Big Ghia ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org