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WiillB> He claims there is such a car as a 411 LE => fastback with a rotary engine. (maybe not a type 3) The 411 exists, and it's a fastback, and you're right, not a Type 3, rather a Type 4. But VW never had a rotary engine to my knowledge. (Had the Wankel even gone into production that early?) There might be or have been an owner-modified car like he describes, but that wouldn't count. Dunno about the LE designation. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 Grosse Karmann ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org