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Haven't seen anyone mention this yet on the list........but in the new (july issue) of Hot VWs, Kymco has a new style Type 3 header system listed, it shows a picture of the setup.. looks pretty neat.. it sits up higher and they say that there is no need to bend the apron... -- Todd Daley Ontario, Canada 65 VW Kombi 71 VW Squareback 71 VW Fastback 85 Audi GT Coupe ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org