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type 4 stuff: goto the shoptalk forums and look in the type 4rum http://www.shoptalkforums.com/bbs/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi there is also a link there to type 4 secrets. It has everything explained about putting a type 4 into type 1/3 based car. to see how dark one can go http://home.att.net/~tomnotch/page4notch.html BTW: TOBY have you uploaded any SIR pics. or any from the vintage show? And of course the "Spy Photos" Eric 1968 VW Blue Fastback http://www.edinboro.edu/~e153916n/darkside_resto.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org