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i have been useing my bugpack duel mufflers for over 2 years now, and its just held on with 3 bolts, no extra hangers or anything, and with a lumpy cam and a shaky 1835cc, they are still in 1 pice, did i just get lucky? -Lance 72 fastback _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org