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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Snap ring pliers are easiest (is that what Mark calls 'Jesus pliers', as in 'jesus, where'd that go'?), but fine needle-nosed pliers or maybe thin tweezers would also work. Some of the switches have an unscrewable shaft - can't remember if the light switch does, but the hazard one certainly does. If so, there will be a slot across in which you could insert a screwdriver. Take care, the 'ring' is only soft metal (aluminium?). Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe </x-charset>