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I can tell you from conversations with dee and clyde, that gene did ZERO testing of type 3s! and as such, he always recommended a very conservative approach. as to thermostats and flaps...i don't use them. even in the cold weather around here, i just run a lower gear for that extra minute it takes to warm up my car and i am gone. maybe if all my trips were under 5 minutes, i would consider worrying about it, but they are not, so i don't -- Brian--1964 Notch Speedster 2332cc http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/ Parma, Idaho: Home of the 2002 "Type 3 Invasion" Aug. 17th and 18th http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/invasion.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/