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any clock working or > not would be just tons better than the hole thats there at the minute A clock shouldn't be a problem. Grey faced, normal (ie not red) hands? I'm sure I have a spare grey faced one, as well as one with red hands for the early boys. Or if you can get to a UK VW show - if there are any this year (Stonor has now rescheduled to 29th July; don't know about others, apart from Detling tomorrow that's been cancelled) you should pick one up for around £10. Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/