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Nonetheless, such information is still very helpful. Yes, going custom costs money but I question the handling since other factors are involved. Normally, such engined cars are lowered as well (the rare ones I've seen in print) and we know that can affect handling. Unfortunately, I must agree with the first sentence...pride and ego can hamper sharing of the public education process. This is why I'm not afraid to tell others what it cost me, in time and loans :), so they have an idea of the dedication (stupidity? ha ha) involved. Toby "Mmmm -- Tell you, I will!" Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com (This is my preferred address) > -----Original Message----- > Or more likely they dont want to admit what they ended > getting themselves > into or how much money they paid!! or the fact that when they > were all done > the added weight made the car handle like crap or...... ---------------------ßs3¤-------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/