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** Disclaimer: Our list usually does not have this debate (for those who just tuned) ** List I'm usually quiet, but will add a little here. I have always considered the notch,fast,squarebacks a 'tremendous trio' I feel that the german engineers did a great job making the same chasis to fit three different designs and thus satisfying the styling desire and utility of many (economically). I also think that they did even a better job when they took the best aspects of the trio, and came up with a even wilder, unique design with the T34. As such, even though I am not a T34 buff, if I were, I would be very proud to own a car that uses the best aspects of all types (1,2,3) with the added bonus of a super stylish and unique body style. On a technical basis, I think none should be excluded from the list. I listen to all who write. I use my judgement on everyones opinions, and often the best opinions come from those who have experience with other types. The T34 has so many technical similarities that those who have experience working on them ARE in the same boat that I am in so their opinions are very helpful to me. Concerning the T-shirt deal. I feel that it is really silly to tell somone 'You won the contest... but can you add a little here a little there or shade this etc.' Since it seems to be a problem that the T34 is not in any of the designs, maybe we should re-open the submb„wo allow satisfaction of this concern (assuming that someone will make one up.) Personally I am proud of what people have come up with for a non-cash type contest, and would happily wear a few of the existing designs to publisize my appreciation for german engineering. Ultimately, the decision is up to the contest host. Just my opinion, BE 65 Notch 70 Square 72 Fast ? -little clock block-off out of a T34 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe