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What if you put rubber pads in between the vice grip and the hoses? Same damage risk? That is: is the problem that the vice teeth chew up the hoses or that the hoses cant withstand being piched like that at all? -Mike 72 Sqbk, 1600, dual Weber ICT 34s Brooklyn ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe