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Why do people bash other rides? It happens to me daily! It seems to happen to these folks with the Square regularly as well. STOP! They are VW owners too. And what is more, they saw a challenge and took it on, with a desire to build 'the best'. It may not be to others, but to these folks it is. Be happy for them. They kept another VW alive. I don't know if they can get $20k, but if they do, more power to them!!! I have been told that my DARK SIDE ride will never be worth the 9k I am asking, but if not, I have the 'misfortune' (-: of driving it whenever the desire arises! BACK OFF! I am beginning to believe that people are hated because they have put money into what they own at a rate others dream of. I don't necessarily care for the astetic choices for this car, but I sure appreciate their zeal and hope that I can maintain that level of quality control on my projects! Brian 'Is there anything darker than a Black Hole' Fye Proud owner of a full custom Notch roadster! For sale too!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org