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When one of my CVs was 'clacking', grabbing the drive shaft and turning it showed free-play, but it may not be that obvious every time, I guess. It's usually the outer joint that goes first. Dave. UK VW Type 3&4 Club www.hallvw.clara.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe