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Well, not that Phoenix is Fargo or anything, but through Feb and Jan, the mornings are in the 30's. My experiences are similar to Stan's. Two miles (or 5 minutes warming up), and I'm getting clearing on the windscreen; ten miles and my left foot is on fire (and the rest of the cabin is warm - and mine's a square. -----Original Message----- From: stans4@ix.netcom.com [