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>.... there isn't any substitute for cubic inches (in this case, cubic centimeters). > ...and the reason for that is that larger cylinder volumes also means more torque at the lower rpm range, which I believe is far more important than high rpm hp:s when it comes to acceleration. Earlier this week I read that the T4 1,7 - 2,0 engine (full shrouded)is about 18 - 20 lbs heavier than the T3 engine, the actual hp difference (in std) might not be too impressive but the torque is higher, and the possibilites to carry larger (2.0 and up...) P&C:s, a better oil system and a much stronger case still makes the conversion very attractive. -73 Squareback E Ornskoldsvik, Sweden ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org