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Ok so I just searched the index and found the very illuminating, way over my head discussion between Jim and Toby about knock and ping. It all led me to one distinction which I should bring up. This knocking-ish is very mild - not the rattling or ball-bearing sound Jim describes, just more like a deep regular thing the closest to which I can describe is very gently tapping your knuckle on the side of a file-cabinet. And I only hear it at idle. This makes me think I'm hearing an exhaust leak, esp. since I get this kind of sound coming at me off the guard rails, but no extreme sound with the throttle up and engine cover off. I'm a paranoid freak. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/