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If you remove the door handle, the number the locksmith needs is stamped on them. I don't remember exactly where this number is, but just take the whole unit to a locksmith, and they can help you out. I lost the key to my 71 bug once, and the key created by this method worked great. Erik Pullman 71 campmobile 73 Square -----Original Message----- From: Keith Park [SMTP:parkkj@orion.crd.ge.com] Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 8:43 AM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Notch Keys Well... I just discovered that the Notch has seperate keys for the ignition and the doors!! ARGH! I dont have the door keys! The tumblers come out easy enough but how do I get keys for them?? is there an ID mark on them?? Can VW still make keys for a 65?? Keith parkkj@crd.ge.com