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In a message dated 98-05-18 15:26:33 EDT, dillardp@edu-suu-lifac.li.suu.edu writes: << So, there you have it. If you think of your VW as a kettle, a pail, a blah, blah....." >> How about we just call them things "the wire things that hold them there big oblong covers on the engine'? Buck 67 Squareback- valve covers currently providing spiders a great place to live.