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Ned, First, you'll notice I'm on the Type III mailing list so there is no need to copy me on messages that are sent to the list as well. Just an FYI :) Second: Is that Square for sale *really* a five-speed? There is only one Type III that I know of that is a five-speed and it belongs to Kenik Hassel. Where did you see this car (Bellingham, WA; Sparks, NV; where?!). Take a look at the shifter -- if it doesn't have a button sticking out the side of the shifter handle with the word BERG or GENE BERG or something to that effect on the top of the handle then it's not a Gene Berg five-speed and thus not a good tranny that will stand up to a high powered engine. What size is the engine? Yeah, please get some specifics. Thirdly, all air-cooled VW engines came stock with cooling flaps. What normally happens with our poor Type IIIs is they are rebuilt and the cooling system is left out, which is probably the case for you. Funny, when any water cooled engine is rebuilt you never see them not install the water pump and radiator since doing so would destroy the engine in a few miles. Without getting into thermal dynamics and metal dynamics and air-cooled engine philosophies let's just say their is POTENTIAL for more harm to come to an engine that does not have the cooling flaps installed, particularly during the warm-up period. Depending where you live it can also make warm-ups take longer (cooler climates). Put them back in, in full operating condition, if you can. Fourth, Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com <-- Please use this address for email '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L, ORPCA member Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ > -----Original Message----- > I didn't see those on my engine tin when it was in peieces. Did only > newer T3s have them? Or are they another thing to put on my > list of parts > lost by the POs? >... > side note: there is a blue squareback in town for sale, 72?, > if anydody > on the list is interested, i'll get the number. I looked at it in a > parking lot, > blue, no visible rust > "cal look" > 2nd owner > mag type wheels > 5 speed > 4k on rebiult