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Most of the cars in the list probably need new torsion bars in the rear -- hey, they're old cars, somethings gotta give! Putting new ones in should take care of the saggy butt problem. Myself and a couple others on this list are using air-adjustable shocks in the rear. These are pretty neat as they allow you to adjust the rear height of the car a little, especially if hauling a heavy load. I got mine from J.C. Whitney. I have adjustable spring plates on the rear end as well. They're neat as well but only adjust the rear height a little (around and inch or two I believe) -- they're good for fine tuning the rear height. Mine are from SwayAway. You can get your torsion bars from them as well. You can turn the stock spring plates and this will help the saggy butt problem but you have to remember that the torsion bars are old and weak and they will eventually sag more and/or break. Get new torsion bars and you're good for another 30 years! Toby Erkson air_cooled_nut@pobox.com <-- Please use this address for email responses '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L '75 Porsche 914 1.8L, ORPCA member Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: couple more questions (Intakes, Suspension) Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE_MIME Date: 2/19/98 5:58 PM ... What, in your opinion, should I be considering? Torsion bars themselves? Spring plates? "Just" turning the spring plates like the lowering freaks do, in reverse? ...