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Well, Toby, I don't know what to tell you. >>You know, our engines are so un-modern (???) it's funny. Here I am trying to get more horsepower out of my engine and having to worry about something simple like heat build-up and these modern cars (European and Asian) I understand you guys are out there, darking it up, making the world fun for VW owners; and you're right, short of major components, you really can't get more than like 15-20% horsepower increase out of our cars. The other side of the coin, though, is that these euro-jobs and major rice-rockets you're looking at are 20 and 30 thousand dollar cars. *And* the modifications they've done are just as invasive as opening the case on our motors. There's no easy fix for an economy car. Our cars were built by conservative (hyper, hyper conservative) German engineers in the 60's and 70's, to toodle around in picturesque Alpine towns and be economical and dependable. What can I say? I think it's a notable value of our cars that it *is* so easy to get them to do what they do, like your (or other noteworthies) car. I can't imagine that there is not a T3 out there as bad as my old beetle that can hit second gear to the point that the back end gets loose; and it'll still pass emissions. I love my T3 for many reasons, not the least of which is its' low cost of operation (I recently had a tank that was all highway where I actually turned 31.2 mpg! - I'm back to more usual 24 and change now, though), uniqueness, and charm. I have to admit that I've never been a very dark kinda guy, and I appreciate the labour all of you Vader acolytes have put into your machines. I don't really know what my point is, except maybe don't sell our little cars short. If you were to put the same kind of money into your Type 3, you'd get similar results. My 2p. Funny story, a friend of mine just gave me 2 British pennies over the carpenter's birthday season, because I use that phrase so much! James 71 FI Square aka Deathrich Light, and Faithful ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe