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Dear friends, I have prepared a proposal for a new integrated Type III web home & email list. This means $$$. Due to our large numbers I am confident that we can make this fly, and we will all benefit; read on. I have extensively searched web presence providers and what they offer. Offerings vary widely; a provider that is generous in one area is often limited in another. I have found http://www.alabanza.com/hosting.html to offer a very competitive package that could serve us well. (I have no affiliation with Alabanza.) Key areas that I looked at include: o unlimited hits; o generous storage space; o unlimited perl cgi support; o Unix environment; o server side includes; o majordomo (or similar) mailing list software; o anonymous ftp; o reasonable $$$ rates for growth; o free technical support; and o an honest-to-goodness fast connection to the 'net I also looked for a *direct* provider, not a reseller. After much deliberation, it seems best to shoot for our own domain name; possible choices that are still available include www.typethree.com and www.vwtype3.com. Besides simply having a short name for the web pages, such a full-service provider would enable us to: o move the mailing list to a majordomo listserver, which will allow people to subscribe/unsubscribe automatically, subscribe in digest mode (one big message per day), search archives, etc. o integrate the mailing list & web site (recent posts on the web) (free scripts: http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.html) o create a searchable "best of type-3" archive of threads from the list o maintain free-to-use Type III only classifieds o maintain free-to-use Type III registry (add your own entries, etc.) o search the web site o create e-mail autoresponders (to deliver FAQs, etc. automatically via e-mail) o anonymously ftp files for sharing of pictures, adding to scrapbook, etc. o host Type III "chat" rooms I have the skills to do all of these things, including working with perl cgi scripts. Indeed, I have implemented some similar capabilities on the web site I created for my employer: http://www.glca.org . We will also have the capability for folks to have honest-to-goodness POP email boxes at the new domain name (like toby@vwtype3.com), and people can have their own sub-directories with telnet & ftp access for their own web pages (like http://www.vwtype3.com/toby )! Definitely cool, eh? (Note that you would need your own dial-up or direct internet connection.) To support the whole nine yards, we can use a combination of "pure" donations (if necessary) and yearly "subscriptions" (perhaps donation premiums???) for e-mail accounts. Note that in this scenario *nobody* would be prevented from participating in the e-mail list or scrapbook or classifieds, etc., even if they never contributed a penny. Read on. First, the costs: **web site alone: first year: $400 + $60(setup) + $100(internic, 2yrs.) = $560 second year: $400 thereafter: $400 + $50(internic) = $450/year **email list: $20-$35/month or $240-$420/year; reasonable estimate of $360/year (This fee is based on traffic; $5/month per 50,000 messages. A digest counts as only one message, so this will reduce apparent traffic. We're currently at 250 subscribers and roughly 25-50 messages per day. 250people * 40messages * 30days = 300,000 messages/month, for example.) **web + e-mail list, total cost estimate by year: first year: $920 second year: $760 thereafter: $810 Now! Where does the money come from? A number of you are willing to just make a straight contribution; great! Note that with the purchase of this package, 30 honest-to-goodness POP email boxes are provided with an address like yourname@vwtype3.com. After the first thirty, the cost for each additional mailbox is $5/month, or $60/year. I propose that we "sell" these addresses on a yearly basis for the $60/year cost. Remember, the first thirty are included with the web fees, so the contributions from the first thirty people who pitch in $60 or more go directly to covering all of the costs. If more than thirty want email addresses, then $60/year will cover the increased cost directly. Here are the numbers: **yearly revenue examples (first 30 email boxes are included with the site): 10 email accounts: $ 600/year 14 email accounts: $ 840/year (where we want to be on average) 20 email accounts: $1,200/year 30 email accounts: $1,800/year over 30: $1,800/year (does not increase above this point) If this is only slightly popular, we'll just scrape by. If these email boxes are very popular, we will actually have a surplus. If it's a modest surplus, we'll just reserve it for lean times; if it's large, we can offer cheaper rates/longer renewal periods for the email addresses (or something similar). (For those of you unfamiliar with the lingo, having a POP email address will allow you to use a program like Eudora or Pegasus Mail or pine or Netscape Mail to read all of your Type III email in a "separate" place -- and have a *very* cool address.:) I mentioned above that people could have their own web pages at addresses like http://www.vwtype3.com/toby with telnet & ftp access. Each account like this has a direct cost of $5/month ($60/year) from the provider, and the indirect cost of increased disk usage. If we "sell" these for $65/year, that will pay for the direct costs and allow for about 2MB of disk space per person--plus a couple of bucks extra toward the web/list fees. This can give everybody direct access to their scrapbook pages, a very cool address for their car/personal pages, and let people go nuts with being webmaster of their own directory in a Unix environment. Adult/pornographic material is not allowed. I propose that people who are interested in contributing outright or "buying" an email address at $60/year speak up so that I can measure the level of interest. ***Please send a message*** to me via: type-3-pledge@umich.edu if you would like to participate, and indicate your level of support (one email address for $60 or more, or a direct contribution). Rest assured that *not* contributing money will not exclude you from email list or web access! I appreciate that each of us has different capacities for contributing. Note that *any* amount helps. I'm in for $60 & an email address, personally. :) On the reporting side, complete budgetary records will be made available on the web site and maintained by my wife (who does this kind of stuff professionally). When we reach (in pledges) the kick-off amount for the first year, US$920, I will ask for folks to send in contributions ($$$). Kirsten can manage these as well, and we will do it via a checking account dedicated to this endeavor. We can work out the logistics after we've reached our pledge goal; for folks outside of the U.S., it will probably make the most sense to send U.S. traveller's cheques. If the support level isn't high enough, we won't go forward at all. If it's strong at first but fizzles after a year or two, we can easily fold the whole operation & refund outstanding contributions that were targeted for the upcoming year. Easy come, easy go. I think we can turn this email list & the Type III site into so much more by linking them and making each a great deal more sophisticated. (I will also save lots of time, since I won't have to maintain the list "by hand".) Let me know what you think. O.k.--we're off to go to the library in a Type III. Shall we take the '69 or the '71? :) -Greg '69 & '71 Squarebacks '63 Beetle