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At 8:54 PM -0000 1/17/97, Keith Park wrote: >T4 Bus motor of 1972 1700, is only 63HP and the 1800 is 65HP, > I dont remember who was keen on putting the T4 in a Square but it seems >a waste since our stock 1600's were 65HP! Now maybe the 2.0L, I dont have a Here you go: (all figures listed as SAE HP) ------------------------------------------ T1 Bentley: 1600: 60@4400 (best) T1 Clymer: 1600: 60@4400 (best) T2 Bentley: 1600: 57-60@4400 (upright Beetle engines) 1700: 59@4200, 63@4800 1800: 65@4200, 67@4400 2000: 67@4200 T3 Clymer: 1500: 53@4000 1600: 65@4600 T4 Clymer: 1700: 85@5000 ------------------------------------------ Perhaps these figures alone don't tell the whole story... a friend who's had both 1700 & 2000 buses describes the 2000 as an absolute *screamer* compared to the 1700. Also, some of the later Beetle engines are listed as "46@4000 (SAE net)"--not "SAE". Didn't horsepower measurements at some point switch to being taken at the wheels instead of at the crankshaft, thereby suffering apparent decreases due to drivetrain loads? -Greg '71 squareback '63 Beetle